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William Patrick Corgan, who definitely doesn’t want to be called “Billy” anymore, released his new pared-down solo album Ogilala last week. As part of the press obligations for a new record, he’s given some occasionally combative interviews with the mainstream American media that he resents. But on Monday, he sat down with one of the few hosts who wouldn’t piss off the infrequent InfoWars guest: Howard Stern.

Corgan’s talk with Stern hits many of the same beats as his other interviews for Ogilala: He says some nice things about the Smashing Pumpkins’ original lineup, discusses writing the new song “Aeronaut” for his son, writing “Zowie” for David Bowie, and working with Rick Rubin. Then, things swerve hard into the paranormal.

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“Let’s just say I was with somebody once, and I saw a transformation that I can’t explain,” Corgan says. Stern’s co-host, Robin Quivers, then asks what everyone should be wondering—if he was on drugs. “I was not, I was totally sober,” Corgan says. Stern pushes for more details, and Corgan proves to be elusive as ever (via Spin):

Corgan: Imagine you’re doing something and suddenly you turn around and there’s somebody else standing there.

Stern: A different human?

Corgan: Sorta. It’s hard to explain without going into detail–I’d rather not go into details.

Stern: But did you say to the person, “What’d you just do here?”

Corgan: Yes, and they acknowledged it.

Stern: And what did they say they were? From another planet?

Corgan: They wouldn’t explain.

Corgan says that “it’s up there with one of the most intense things I’ve ever been through.” Which makes me think he hasn’t actually watched much of InfoWars.